ilona Trommler > Ronald Paul NordquistMarch 2, 2023 at 5:26pm
They are fighting on their own....they aren't asking for our kids to do it for them, but left up to this regime things will escalate and we will, along with Europe end up in a war!
If HISTORY is an indicator of what the US will do... we are more likely to send our sons and daughters to war than not. Ignoring history only leads to repeating it. We are ignoring what happens when one soverign interferes with another's CIVIL CONFLICT.
The Ukraine has been a vassal state of greater Russia, the Russian Empire, and the USSR, for more than a millennium and we now believe we can moderate that relationship. Russia and many Ukrainians view the Ukraine as part of Russia. Getting involved in their dispute will only result in escalation and WW-3. Human history predicts our involvement will only create a greater problem.
See the above link for a view of how Ukraine could resolve the problem... with referendums. However, the propaganda surrounding the referendum's use has been universally rejected in the West due to fears of Russian interference. The fact is that decades ago a referendum supported Ukraine as an independent, FREE ASSOCIATION, with Russia... the old USSR. This relationship COULD BE REVISITED, with an agreement between the Ukraine and Russia regarding the particulars of their sovereign relationship... WE DON'T NEED WAR... and those in the WEST PUSHING WAR are abandoning statesmanship and peaceful negotiations as the better alternative. Could it be they have a more sinister and complex plan for a new world order and need war to produce the crisis to engage it?
There are at least two sides to every argument ... the dispute over Ukraine's soverignty is no different...Depending on which side of the issue one falls on one finds a difference of opinion. However, the fact is that referendum for alignment with Russia exists and needs to be resolved PEACEFULLY. Perhaps with an internationally supervised referendum. Albiet, neither side seems willing to stipulate to such a reasonable solution.
The BIDEN ADMINISTRATION keeps stepping in deeper and deeper in UKRAINE, and the threat of war is growing close to reality, We have sent enough money and war supplies its time for EUROPE to take the lead. Our own country has needs that are not being taken care of, We dont need to send jets or advisors or military troops into UKRAINE its time for us to start pulling back and let the nations of EUROPE take the lead its more in their interest than ours. ZELINSKY would like nothing better than to drag the United States into his conflict.
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Time to let them fend for themselves...
They are fighting on their own....they aren't asking for our kids to do it for them, but left up to this regime things will escalate and we will, along with Europe end up in a war!
If HISTORY is an indicator of what the US will do... we are more likely to send our sons and daughters to war than not. Ignoring history only leads to repeating it. We are ignoring what happens when one soverign interferes with another's CIVIL CONFLICT.
The Ukraine has been a vassal state of greater Russia, the Russian Empire, and the USSR, for more than a millennium and we now believe we can moderate that relationship. Russia and many Ukrainians view the Ukraine as part of Russia. Getting involved in their dispute will only result in escalation and WW-3. Human history predicts our involvement will only create a greater problem.
P/S Why are parts of Ukraine holding referendums on joining Russia? Her...
See the above link for a view of how Ukraine could resolve the problem... with referendums. However, the propaganda surrounding the referendum's use has been universally rejected in the West due to fears of Russian interference. The fact is that decades ago a referendum supported Ukraine as an independent, FREE ASSOCIATION, with Russia... the old USSR. This relationship COULD BE REVISITED, with an agreement between the Ukraine and Russia regarding the particulars of their sovereign relationship... WE DON'T NEED WAR... and those in the WEST PUSHING WAR are abandoning statesmanship and peaceful negotiations as the better alternative. Could it be they have a more sinister and complex plan for a new world order and need war to produce the crisis to engage it?
See: List of sovereign states - Wikipedia
There are at least two sides to every argument ... the dispute over Ukraine's soverignty is no different...Depending on which side of the issue one falls on one finds a difference of opinion. However, the fact is that referendum for alignment with Russia exists and needs to be resolved PEACEFULLY. Perhaps with an internationally supervised referendum. Albiet, neither side seems willing to stipulate to such a reasonable solution.
For more see: Understanding Russia’s referendums in Ukraine | Russia-Ukraine war ...
The BIDEN ADMINISTRATION keeps stepping in deeper and deeper in UKRAINE, and the threat of war is growing close to reality, We have sent enough money and war supplies its time for EUROPE to take the lead. Our own country has needs that are not being taken care of, We dont need to send jets or advisors or military troops into UKRAINE its time for us to start pulling back and let the nations of EUROPE take the lead its more in their interest than ours. ZELINSKY would like nothing better than to drag the United States into his conflict.
Zelensky and Biden are both cut from the same cloth totally corrupt and tried for treason.
Not mine. Answer is NO