I'm sick of people talking about entitlements. Look, social security should have never been started in the first place, but since it was the money has been forced from everyone's paycheck ever since. FORCED to pay for your future retirement!
I say the real culprits that add to our national debt are: The welfare program, The food stamp program, All the money going overseas to other nations for whatever the reason may be, and Money being wasted on any thing else that the government wants to spend our tax dollars on.
Just to name one example: I worked at Robbins Air Force Base as a construction contractor doing renovation work for about a year. You would not believe the things that were thrown away during those renovations! Over half of the furniture that would have been thrown into dumpsters, I brought home because it was in way better condition than was my furniture, which I gave away to friends because it was still in good condition!
Y'all want to talk about government waste, well, how about getting ALL the facts straight before you go slinging around words like "ENTITLEMENTS", and focus on what the government really blows our money on!
People who have been forced to pay into social security all their lives ARE entitled to draw from the program. Maybe the system can be tweaked a little, but maybe many people are actually drawn away from the Tea Party and certain candidates in the party who run for office because they just don't understand why anyone would even consider messing with social security!
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I had my first off the farm job when I was 13yrs. old and have been paying into Social Security ever since. my employers were forced by the Government to pay on behalf. I have been paying for 40 years now and yes I am Entitled to that money. Will I get it by the time I retire i doubt it, but it burns my butt when they talk about cutting benifits Ive paid into not by my choice but by theirs. There have been people sitting on the front porch rocking for almost 50yrs. 3 generations that have never had a jobs. That is who needs to be cut. And if the get a check whats wrtong with cutting grass for the government for their government check. Or pick up trash on the highways and streets or any damn thing. The government pays people to perform these jobs and they pay these other people to do nothing. Its just wrong.
You are playing into the hands of the robber barons. Your illogic is part of the problem. We are not robbing the younger generation. That is zombie talk. We paid this for all of our working lives. Social Security is not mentioned in the constitution. The process went though congress with the consent of the people.
Have you even read the Constitution? Do you know what Socialism really is? Have you read the Communist Manifesto, State and Revolution and the rest of the Lenin Library? Have you studied at all what our enemies are really all about? You are making up your own definitions, and that doesn't fly my friend.
You can rob every senior of his or her social security check and that will not make a dent in a 16 trillion dollar debt incurred by the very robber barons that you are siding with.
Speak for yourself when you accuse us of being greedy just because so many of our generation want and need the pitiful pittance that may barely keep them alive.
I am not poor, but even those who have saved all their lives like I have will find it a hardship if deprived of that which is rightfully ours.
By the way, State confiscation is a Marxist trait. How do you reconcile taking the peoples resources away with a Constitutional Republic.
You have a lot of gall accusing us of sticking it to our children. You may have done that, but most of us worked hard to feed and care for our children, and instill moral and spiritual values in them. We paid our dues, now it is time for the young and healthy to work out a solution for their own coming old age.
Are you really with Tea Party, or are you a troll set in our midst to disseminate false information and bring confusion and disgrace to our benevolent and humane organization, because the propagandists of the left would love to be able to say that the Tea Party thinks like you. That would make us look very bad.
As stated...I'm four years away from collecting social security, but this won't be my money it'll be some younger persons money. Unfortunately the money I paid in was pissed away. Yes, the silly "forced" contract was broken but we did nothing. Where was the outrage when the SS trust fund was raided? Yes, of course people get old. So what? That means the government gets to rob the younger generation to pay my benefits when I turn 62? Because we will get old and because we were forced to participate in a ponzi scheme, this justifies screwing the younger generation? The SS program is not constitutional. I'm not sure what constitution some of you are reading. Are you actually suggesting because some older people will be homeless that the government should continue to rob from one class and give to another? That's socialism my friend. We are supposed to be a Republic where my rights are to be protected. In a Republic there is no "forced" redistribution of the wealth. I'm a baby boomer and my generation is sticking it to the unborn and the children. They will grow up to despise us for what we have left them. We will be looked upon as the greediest generation that drove our country to bankruptcy. Look at the debt we made...16 trillion dollars! The founders said the generation that makes the debt pays the debt and it was never to be passed on to the children who had no say in making the debt. Prescription medicine program...another unfunded and unconstitutional program, courtesy of G.W. Bush. How many greedy Americans insist on taking this benefit?
Tell me all you people that whine about Social Security. What are you going to do with an aging population that has been robbed of pensions, and many of whom will have nothing but Social Security to live on in their old age. Well? so do you want mandatory euthanization? Maybe you want a large gray haired population of homeless street people. The fact is that people who were working and productive all of their lives paid for it. Their employers also paid. This is a contract. If you put money in the bank you have the right to withdraw it. You need to do your homework. people are not living substantially longer, that is a lie devised by thieving politicians. and with the decline in health care guaranteed by comrade Obama's health care program the average life span is guaranteed to drop again.
Old age comes and there is nothing that you can do about it. I ran marathons, boxed, fought in televized kickboxing 9 rounds for PKA and 12 rounds in boxing. These things were a lifelong practice I thought I could be young through my 70s. How wrong I was. I benched pressed 450 pounds at age 60. But you know what? I can't beat old age. My stamina is a shadow of what it used to be. I need more sleep. Hey all you tough old gray haired folks that can work until you are eighty. Get real. You can't do it. Face it Jack LaLane was extraordinary he was one in a million. So go ahead and give away what you earned to the rats that have stolen from Social Security. But when you do don't complain when you enter the misery that you are heaping upon yourself and everyone else that is entering old age.
We give money away to our enemies for what? They take it and buy arms not food for their people.
We need it right now and we should use it on our people till we get ourselves over this.
What we need most is to get rid of Obama.
MEDICARE & MEDICAID ARE MORE OF A PROBLEM BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH FRAUD IN BOTH. HOWEVER, WE MUST NOT FORGET THAT SOCIAL SECURITY GOES HAND IN HAND WITH MEDICARE BECAUSE ONCE YOU REACHED RETIREMENT AGE THE HEALTHCARE PLAN OF MEDICARE BECAME A PART OF THE PACKAGE. NOW, PEOPLE ARE LIVING LONGER & WORKING LONGER SO IT'S LOGICAL THAT THE PROGRAMS HAVE GRADUALLY RAISED THE RETIREMENT AGE BUT MEDICARE HAS NOT YET BEEN ADJUSTED TO FALL IN LINE WITH SOCIAL SECURITY. IF PEOPLE WORK LONGER & MAKE OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT, IT IS DEDUCTED FROM THEIR SS CHECK UP TO AGE OF 70. I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT EITHER. ACTUALLY SINCE MEDICAID ACCOUNTS FOR THE MOST FRAUD CONDUCTED, I SUGGEST IT NEEDS A LOT OF TWEAKING, TESTING & VERIFICATION BEFORE BENEFITS ARE PROVIDED TO THESE FRAUDSTERS. IF WE WERE UNDER A DIFFERENT KIND OF PRESIDENT WHO WORKED TO GET PEOPLE OFF WELFARE & GOT THEM JOBS TO WORK AT WHILE THEY WENT THROUGH THE TWEAKING PROCESS, WE COULD GET MORE PEOPLE PAYING INTO THE SYSTEM, MAKING MONEY & PAYING TAXES INSTEAD OF LIVING OFF THE DOLE, WHILE EVERYONE ELSE SUPPORTS THEM. WE JUST LEARNED THE OTHER DAY THAT THE US SPENT $80 BILLION IM 2012 ON FOOD STAMPS. PLEASE! THAT IS ANOTHER OPEN TO FRAUD PROGRAM! IN CALIFORNIA THE DEPT OF AGRICULTURE ALLOWS FAMILIES TO EAT IN UPSCALE RESTAURANTS WHILE THE REST EAT IN FAST FOOD OR AS IN SOME CASES CAN ONLY PURCHASE RAW FOOD & COOK IT THEMSELVES, WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE IF YOU LIVE ON THE STREET OR IN A SHELTER. THIS PRESIDENT IS DOING NOTHING TO HELP PEOPLE GET BACK ON THEIR FEET, ALL HE CARES ABOUT IS MAKING THEM DEPENDENT ON THE GOVERNMENT & HE WANTS THE RICH TO SUPPORT THE GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS. THOSE ARE PEOPLE WHO PAY TAXES SO THE REST BECOME THE FREELOADERS. OBAMA HAS RUINED THE MANUFACTURING INDUSTRIES & SENDS THEM OVERSEAS TO CHINA & MEXICO, THERE ARE NO JOBS EXCEPT IN THE FOOD INDUSTRY, SO WOULDN'T YOU THINK THAT PRICES WOULD GO DOWN SINCE THERE ARE SO MANY STARVING PEOPLE HERE IN THE US? ACCORDING TO NANCY PELOSI, SHE CLAIMS THEY GET MORE "BANG FOR THE BUCK", SO THEY SOLICIT PEOPLE TO GO ON FOOD STAMPS INSTEAD OF FINDING THEM WORK. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE IS SO MUCH FRAUD THAT THEY CAN CASH THEIR SNAP OR EBT CARDS AT AN ATM MACHINE & GET CASH TO GO BET AT THE TRACK. HOW'S THAT FOR A FOOLPROOF PROGRAM? DO YOU THINK THE PROGRESSIVES CARE? OF COURSE NOT, THIS IS WHAT OBAMA WANTS ...IT'S REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH PRIMARILY TO HIS PEOPLE. THEY DID THE SAME WITH THE HOUSING INDUSTRY UNTIL THE BANKS FAILED. THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZER FROM CHICAGO WORKED FOR ACORN SHAKING DOWN BANKS FORCING THEM TO GIVE LOANS TO POOR PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T AFFORD THEM. WHEN THE BANKS FAILED, WE BAILED THEM OUT, THEREBY PAYING FOR ALL THE FAILED SUBPRIME LOANS THE GOVERNMENT FORCED THE BANKS TO GIVE UNDER THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION KNOWN AS "THE COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT ACT" IN 93, THAT'S WHEN OBAMA WORKED FOR ACORN IN SOUTHSIDE CHICAGO UNTIL HE WENT TO LAW SCHOOL & HE REPRESENTED ACORN IN A LAWSUIT AGAINST CITIBANK WHEREBY THEY SET A PRECEDENT FOR OTHER BANKS TO FOLLOW SUIT OR THEY WOULD BE SUED ON RACIAL BIAS. THIS IS WHAT CONGRESS DID & THEY FORCED THE BANKS TO MAKE LOANS UNDER THREAT OF RACIAL BIAS OR DOWNGRADE THEIR RATINGS. THESE LOANS WENT INTO FANNIE MAE & FREDDIE MAC THROUGH BILL CLINTON'S HUD SECY ANDREW CUOMO WHICH THEY CALLED "AFFIRMATIVE ACTION " LOANS & THEY WWERE BUNDLED & SOLD TO OTHER BANKS, HEDGE FUNDS & INVESTMENT INSTITUTIONS WORLDWIDE. WHEN THE PEOPLE DEFAULTED ON THOSE LOANS, THOSE INVESTMENTS ALL BECAME TOXIC & THE BANKS FAILED & THE TAXPAYER BAILED THEM OUT. HERE AGAIN WAS THE LIBERALS ATTEMPT TO REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH. RECENTLY, YOU MAY HAVE READ HOW THE AG, ERIC HOLDER, IS HOLDING ALL THE BIG BANKS WHO WERE FORCED TO MAKE THE LOANS IN THE FIRST PLACE BY OUR GOVERNMENT, RESPONSIBLE AGAIN FOR THE FORECLOSURES. HE WAS VERY ACTIVE DURING THE CLINTON ADMINSTRATION ALONG WITH JANET RENO FORCING THE BANKS TO MAKE THE LOANS IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT HAS NOW COME FULL CIRCLE & WHO IS ALWAYS PAYING THE PRICE? THE BANKS & THE TAXPAYER! THEN THEY PROSECUTE THEM TWICE, WHICH IS WHAT CAUSED THE FINANCIAL CRASH IN 2008 & WE BAILED THEM OUT. THEY GET THE MONEY FROM THE BANKS, THEN THEY GET THE MONEY AGAIN FROM US! WHERE DOES IT END? IT DOESN'T, IT'S WHAT PROGRESSIVES DO. EVERYTHING GOES AROUND AGAIN & AGAIN IN FULL CIRCLE, PEOPLE LOSE THEIR HOMES, WE PAY THE BANKS, THEN THE BANKS PAY THE PEOPLE BACK FOR FORECLOSING ON THEIR HOUSES THEY COULDNT AFFORD IN THE FIRST PLACE. WHEN IS AMERICA GOING TO WAKE UP?
C.
The SS system was designed to be a pay as you go Supplement income plan - not a retirement - disability insurance plan - school and money for minor children left by early death income plan and all the other social welfare plans added by Congress when they saw all that money just sitting there waiting to be spent . .
There would be no problem if Congress did not add more and more and more and more. But then they would have had to fund their desired vote bribing with other taxes , , making them look bad . .
By the way Dan, we are not talking about people like you, we are talking about the dead-Beats.
I can collect social security in about 4 years. If this unconstitutional program isn't bankrupt by then, I'll be drawing out the money that was put in by some poor working man or woman. Every dime I paid in has already been given away. Why should the young person working today be giving his money to me? Why am I entitled to take dollars from the system that are not mine? Am I supposed to take the money and tell the young guy who's paying it, to get screwed? The whole social security system should be abolished. Why? Because the sorry asses of my generation didn't do squat when it was raided by the Dems. And now I'm supposed to take money that isn't mine? Say what?
Comment by Jannie - Texas
If we did with someone's money, what the government has done with ours, we would be in prison.
I knew a Baptist preacher that just moved money from one church account to another account to meet a greater need and He was in prison 20 years.
I and my husband paid into SS all our lives. He passed away and I am just drawing what is already mine !!!
If they had not killed all the babies, we would have more SS money now. If people who are able to work, would be cut off, we would have more. If they had to pass a drug test before they could draw welfare and food stamps, we would have more. People on food stamps have much better food in their baskets at the Gro store than my three daughters can afford, and my girls are the ones working to pay for their food.
I might add here, I think that people who do not pay taxes, should not get to vote. They vote in people and laws that working people have to pay for.
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